Underthrow Podcast: with James Harrigan

The Genesis Episode of a new podcast with host Max Borders

Max Borders
Max Borders
PUBLISHED IN Underthrow Series - Sep 17, 2025
Underthrow Podcast: with James Harrigan

If overthrow means to bring down unjust authority through violence,
underthrow means to topple it through peaceful yet powerful means.


In the debut episode of Underthrow, host Max Borders sits down with James Harrigan, political scientist and co-host of Words and Numbers, to confront the economic and cultural challenges facing America.

Max and James discuss rising debt, inflation, and the future of the U.S. dollar, while exploring whether bold reforms could avert collapse.

The conversation turns to controversial issues such as immigration, assimilation, and the pressures on a liberal society—exogenous and indogenous. The duo wonders how a culture of freedom can endure in the face of shifting circumstances and errant ideologies.

Thoughtful, candid, and not afraid of hard truths, Max and James set the stage for a podcast that challenges assumptions and reimagines the future.

We’re going to test each episode like SpaceX rockets, knowing that some will explode on the launchpad. Still, we’ll make marginal improvements as we go, learning from our mistakes while not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

In any case, this podcast will offer you a new way to engage with Underthrow. The written word will still feature prominently; we’re simply expanding into video to provide you with even more value for your subscription.

To the supporters who make this possible, thank you kindly. If you’ve been on the fence but want to provide some rocket fuel, help us make it into the stratosphere.


My son, James S. Borders, executed the production, editing, and sound wizardry. Thanks also go to Grace Collins for graphics and social media promotion.


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